This is my (in)activity log. You might like to visit my employer
SUSE which is an amazing company, and also
Dell who in days of yore provided me with a
free laptop for Gnome development / conferences.
Also if you have the time to read this sort of stuff you could enlighten
yourself by going to Unraveling Wittgenstein's net or if
you are feeling objectionable perhaps here.
Stuff Michael Meeks is doing
Up, packed babes off to school. Chewed mail. Interested to
read Rob Weir's blog
with an attractive looking timeline of nearly a year of work, which
is worth some detailed reading and analysis. He makes a curious assertion
To give a sense of the magnitude of this interdependence,
the libreoffice.org domain contains 13,281 links to webpages hosted
on openoffice.org domains.
[ I'll update this entry as/when I find any errors. ]
I'm encouraged by Rob's approach - he doesn't simply re-hash this old chestnut
based on some ~25 links in the wiki help (now removed), when translated to a hundred
languages, for some tens of versions. That is encouraging.
I'm amused at the 'Guinness Book of Records' precision -
"13,281" is curiously precice a number, without an equivalently precise
date or explanation - our website evolves and grows rapidly.
I was discouraged by my attempts to replicate this "magnitude
of interdependence". My first attempt, was to use a google link search:
site:libreoffice.org link:openoffice.org -
which gives me 4980 hits(today), interestingly if I
search for link
first I get 5170, so perhaps there is some +/- 10% thing going on.
Digging through those links, what immediately jumps out is the sheer
weight of false positives - that demonstrate no inter-dependence. Apparently
our home-page and donations page link to OpenOffice.org, but I can see no
trace of that. Then there are myriad mentions from bugzilla (which shouldn't
be crawled I think) that helpfully cross-link to the archive of many tens of
thousands of historical bugs. It also appears that our mailing lists are
indexed which also here and there refer to the legacy project.
Checking vs. link:apache.org, we get 31k hits, which starts to get
to a similar ball-park, but again all the same problems - false positives,
hits inside documents attached in bugzilla bugs, E-mail etc.
It is an interesting idea to extend this idea and judge inter-dependence
by looking at mutual referals. Perhaps it yields interesting results for the
industry. These are webhits I took
So - is Google overwhelmingly dependent on Microsoft ? is Oracle
more dependent on IBM than vv. ? personally I'm skeptical. It really feels
like this should show us something interesting, but it's an extremely crude, noisy,
and misleading metric, particularly when LibreOffice development is split over two sites.
I suspect the hit counts also vary wildly depending on locale, and the state of mind of the
hard-working mechanical turks that produce the nice-ranking / hit count metrics.
|Relationship||A links to B/khits||B links to A/khits
|google.com vs. microsoft.com||1960||38||
|oracle.com vs. ibm.com||68||21||
|kde.org vs. gnome.org||30||10||
|apache.org vs. freedesktop.org||41||0.5||
|libreoffice.org vs. apache.org||31||7||
- Such hit counts are a very blunt and misleading tool, it
is unclear if they accurately reflect any true "sense" of
- Inasmuch that they show some interdependency it is unclear to what
extent this is just a legacy problem. It would be appreciated if
Apache's hosting of the hundred-thousand plus legacy bugs, or other
big chunks of historical material that they did not produce
and our linkage to them are not used in this way. Hosting copies of
legacy information is not particularly taxing.
- Together these confirm my feeling that if Apache OpenOffice disappeared
tomorrow, it would have little-to-no impact on LibreOffice at all,
perhaps the converse is true too. To me - that is a true measure of
interdependence from first principles, though of course as a project
- I imagine we're eager to re-unite around a single weak-copy-left code-base
and to meet IBM's legitimate needs; so perhaps one disappearing
could be a positive thing.
Lunch, meeting with pension fund provider. Attempts to explain why
a pension with a higher charge structure are better than one with a lower
one couldn't be answered: ask your company, attempts to explain how
Scottish Widows can manage cash funds around twice as badly as
Friends Provident proved fruitless.
Dug into some research for a while, call with Rob Taylor.
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realise that I'm not in on the Swedish Conspiracy.
Occasionally people ask for formal photos for conferences
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