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- Up early; dealt with H. off to NCC - prayed beforehand;
good service; Cathy spoke - did my bit at the end, hopefully helpful.
- Back for lunch with Janine & George, nice fire, sat
around / played with H. much of the afternoon; read Grudem's Systematic
Theology on Church Government - missing some of the more trendy (and
to my mind inaccurate) recent thinking from the Restorationist movement,
pwrt. their view of the role of Apostles.
- Played a great game with H. where J. and I draw an animal /
familiar object on the magnetic-sketch-thing, and H. guesses it's name -
seems she has a remarkably odd vocabulary already: Peacock/Ladder at ~100%,
more normal things less so. Pointed to her mouth & said 'hurty' before
bed, agreed with the need for Bonjella, and pointed to the side for
application - pleasing.
Daniel 12 - "How to live forever and not regret it":
- Cover articles News-Week / Time Magazine - engaging,
surveys into the birth narratives of Matthew & Luke - nothing
new here, two accounts differ in details and emphasis. Are congruent
in ways that enrich & affirm our faith. The articles don't tell
us that there are amazingly well qualified scholars, who have written
massive weighty scolarly commentaries - in the last decade, defending
the historicity / reliability of scripture: Greg Keener's 1040 page
commentary on Matthew, or Darrol Box's 2148 page monumental commentary
of gospel of Luke, or Carson's on Matthew, etc. Engage the scholarship -
the unexpirgated truth.
- At the same time - the
Discovery Channel - on the Exodus,
Do you dare ? - Ramses: the wrath of God or Man ? their
advertising: "do you dare question - what is written in the bible?"
accompanied by a fake quote: "by these ten plagues you will
know that I am the Lord" - no-where in the Old-Testament. "So it is written,
is it right ?". It rehearses evidence that discovered an additional cluster
of tombs connected with Ramases - found one skull of perhaps his 1st born
Son suggesting he was murdered by an enemy - not by God. Intriguing
evidence - but 1st born is not a biological term in NT times - too many
people lost their children in infancy: a legal term - designating your
heir - the legal inheritor of your estate; perhaps a child born young
early in his reighn - he had ~100 children; frankly '1st borns' were
dropping like flies - he out-lived most of them - into his 90s.
Of course - many scholars don't believe Ramses is the Pharoe of Exodus,
many believe it's 150 years earlier perhaps Tutmos the 3rd, put my vote
on Armenhoteth 2nd [ how many others do that ? - so perhaps just 1 more
argument for this position ].
- A series of these suppoesed new revelations - Boston Sunday
Globe - The Rapture; apparently there are some that believe of the 70 weeks
prophecy in Daniel 9, not a 2000 year gap between the 69th & 70th weeks -
apparently a bold new insight - you heard it here 1st.
- Anticipating what you might be seeing on CNN news next week:
we're looking at the hard part of Daniel 11 & 12; a continuing
narrative from Ch. 10 - an Angel (we assume Gabriel), discloses a
panoramic survey of history, from the current time - to the
resurrection of the dead - a highly selective view; as said in Ch.
10; even more limited - focuses just on the bad news; skips big
chunks of relatively unoppressed time etc.
- The reason this text devotes so much time to Antiochus,
is because of his diabolical malevolance; crafting a state policy of
erradicating the Jewish faith: the first time in recorded history a
foreign power made it a policy of the state, not just to kill Jews:
but to erradicate their faith.
- Good news: Scholars are virtually unanimous in their
interpretation of the first 39 verses of Ch. 11 - everyone agrees.
Starting in vs. 40 though - gets it completely wrong (it seems)
from a number of ancient sources; what do you do with that ?
- 3 explanations that are proposed; convinced of the 3rd.
- The critical view - critical not to mean scholarly,
just means rejecting the traditional authorship of the book.
They say, Daniel gets it perfectly right up to vs. 39, and wrong
after - they say, the reason is: the book of Daniel was written
right then: 164 BC, predictions in earlier verses - just history
pretending to be prophecies. Then starting in vs. 40 he tries his
hand at real prophecy - why he doesn't get it right. Seemingly
very persuasive - also explains why you get a lot about Antiochus
who was around at the time. Ch 12. ends coming back to Antiochus.
All this favours the critical view. What to be said against it:
- It's true that there are some books written about
the time of Jesus that pretend to be prophecies; by Abraham,
Elijah, etc. in those fake prophecies - the authors never, never
achieve any kind of versimiltude for the period - ie. they are
filled with anachronisms: they don't have good historical data
about the period; and they don't use the right language: so
clearly fake, no-one is fooled by the language or content.
- Technically, we now know the Aramaic & Hebrew of
Daniel is exactly like the Hebrew of the C6 BC - not like that
of 164BC; nothing like that elsewhere. Also, no detailed
historical data to create it. Also - at that period when there
was so much hatred of the Greeks - why invent a spoof person that
is a faithful servant of a pagan king. [ Instead surely he would
be a freedom fighter ].
- Finally & most interestingly, how could it be
that if vs 40 further on, is made up & blatantly wrong - how
could it be accepted at the time as scripture as people lived
through that period ?
- The 2nd view - starting vs. 40 - we're not talking about
Antiochus: we've jumped ahead to the end of time: talking about the
Anti-Christ, of whom Antiochus is a disgusting tasting fore-taste;
- Against it - explaining the coherence between
39&40 - no indication of a 2000+ year jump, the Kings of
South & North eg. why would Edom, Moab and Ammon be
exempt from the Anti-Christ's ravages ? if that is so, we
should all move to Jordan now.
- vs. 44: how could the Anti-Christ be mislead by a
- The 3rd view - the Roman view - articulated by John Calvin,
recent scholars better argument.
- vs. 40 At the time of the end - a time shift:
the end of time ? - not how Daniel has been using this phrase up
to now (Ch. 8:17) The vision concerns the time of the end -
the vision concerns the appointed time of the end - in
Ch. 8 everyone agrees this is the time of the end of Antiochus.
- The Roman age - is the time of the end -
we are those upon whom the end of the ages has come -
this last work of God in response to the kingdoms of the world.
- A gap of 100 years; Rome's claim on Israel - Pompeii
the Great, conquered Israel - (cf. vs. 2-3 from Persian to Greek
period) - and why jump ? they were independant then: free from
- Pompeii knocked down the walls, ploughed into the
temple descrating it as Antiochus did. 3 people now involved:
'King of South/North' and a 'him' - Ptolemy 12th engages 'him',
Antiochus 13th vs. the King of the North: (who rules in Syria -
- Daniel 11 - vs. 18; Scipio appears - everyone agrees
this is Rome; vs. 30 - the ships of the western coast-lands, also
a reference to Rome. Daniel 11:40 - Rome had a powerful navy, Pompeii
commanded it - authorised for 3 years, to invade all the coastal
territories / cleaned up all of the mediterranean; sole commander
of all these forces: attacks Asia Minor, Armenia, then the Cauccus
Mountains, in 65BC - takes over Syria: the King of the North, 63BC
southward Edom, Moab & Ammon - while he was engaged in that
campaign - he gets a rumour from Jerusalem - that the potential
heirs of the high-preisthood are squabbling: that they've asked him
to come and settle their dispute, accepting the invitation he conquers
Israel, takes over Jerusalem, knocks down it's walls; having broken
off his attack against the Nabbateans which he never resumes.
- He will extend his power over many countries,
Egypt will not escape - some Scholars have rejected the Roman view
because of this verse. Pompeii never invaded Egypt - but it doesn't say
he will invade it; the text: not invade or fall as in
previous few verses - text very modest in what it claims, Pompeii's power
will be extended over many countries - Egypt not excluded.
- Lots of support from 2C Greek historian: Appion of
Alexander - primary historian of the time. Pompeii extended the
Roman sway as far as Egypt - did not advance into Egypt, although the
King of that country [Ptolemy] invited him into that country to supress
a sedition, and he sent gifts to him, and money and clothing for his whole
army - tremendous wealth - etc. etc. eg. Pompeii declared the
legal guardian of Ptolemy's children - Egypt etc. a client kingdom.
To the East Crassus - lost 20k men & died in battle vs. the
Parthians, to the North Julias Ceaser just crossed the Rubicon. Drawn away,
alarmed by Julias Ceaser, eventually defeated & killed with
no allies to help him.
- Meanwhile Herod is 25 years old; leading Israel into
strategic alliances - first supporting Pompeii, then switching
alliance to Julias Ceaser, then with Mark Anthony, then Ceaser
Augustus - so Herod was made King;
- It fits like a glove - and it follows the same pattern of
the previous visions Ch. 2 & 7, following the course of history up to
the coming of the Messiah. And this is where Daniel ends - right on the
threshold of the coming of Christ. No wonder there was an excited
expetancy from the Jews of 0BC - armed with Daniel.
- How do you respond to such accuracy in the predictions of the coming
Kingdom ? A couple of options:
- Say it was written after Herod, after the time of the Romans -
that's why you get it right. If you do that - you join a great constelation of
outstanding Biblical scholars. Ernst Have - argued that Herod was the time
in which the 2nd part of Daniel was written; or Paul de-Legarde German scholar
argued it was written in 69AD right before the destruction of the temple -
that's why the predictions of the Messiah are so great, that's why Daniel 9
predicts the Messiah will come before the destruction of the temple, or
Herdlein at Leipsig - argued that these chapters came from the Roman period.
All written after the fact ? after the Romans, after Pompeii, after Jesus -
no-wonder it gets it right. If you go along with them - maybe you'll be on
CNN news next week.
- The one inconvenient fact - that wrecks what seems like a good
theory: we now have actual copies of the book of Daniel from the 2nd Century
BC: from the library at Quamran, physical copies - 4QDanielC - 120BC, before
the Roman period, Daniel4QA - another copy; 8 copies - remaining 6 from ~1Ad
- 1st 2 copies - pre-date it - they include Chapter 11. What do you conclude ?
- I conclude - God is in charge - he has in fact predicted this:
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please ... What I have said, that will I bring about;
what I have planned, that will I do.
Isaiah 46 : God organises the flow of history.
- Get to Ch. 12 - at that time Michael - the great prince who stands guard
over Hebrew will take his stand - Rev 12. helps us to see this from God's
perspective as Christ dies on the cross Now is the ruler of this world cast
out - after Michael arising a time of great distress: we're living in a time
of acute distress. But then at that time, everyone whose name is written in the
book, will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the earth will awake ....
- Time magazine - an article: How to live to 100 and not regret it
Daniel - How to live forever and not regret it: the ressurection is for
everyone; some for everlasting life, others for shame and everlasting contempt.
Eternity determined by those whose name is written in the book of the life.
- Strangely full of bounce, chatted till late at night.
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